Wednesday, November 01, 2006

HOW INTERESTING!!!!

Hmmm...funny how Bush's grades were such a big deal during the presidental race a couple of years ago. Lookie here!!!

Yale grades portray Kerry as a lackluster student
His 4-year average on par with Bush's
By Michael Kranish, Globe Staff June 7, 2005


WASHINGTON -- During last year's presidential campaign, John F. Kerry was the candidate often portrayed as intellectual and complex, while George W. Bush was the populist who mangled his sentences.

But newly released records show that Bush and Kerry had a virtually identical grade average at Yale University four decades ago.


In 1999, The New Yorker published a transcript indicating that Bush had received a cumulative score of 77 for his first three years at Yale and a roughly similar average under a non-numerical rating system during his senior year.

Kerry, who graduated two years before Bush, got a cumulative 76 for his four years, according to a transcript that Kerry sent to the Navy when he was applying for officer training school. He received four D's in his freshman year out of 10 courses, but improved his average in later years.

The grade transcript, which Kerry has always declined to release, was included in his Navy record. During the campaign the Globe sought Kerry's naval records, but he refused to waive privacy restrictions for the full file. Late last month, Kerry gave the Navy permission to send the documents to the Globe.

Kerry appeared to be responding to critics who suspected that there might be damaging information in the file about his activities in Vietnam. The military and medical records, however, appear identical to what Kerry has already released. This marks the first time Kerry's grades have been publicly reported.


The transcript shows that Kerry's freshman-year average was 71. He scored a 61 in geology, a 63 and 68 in two history classes, and a 69 in political science. His top score was a 79, in another political science course. Another of his strongest efforts, a 77, came in French class.

Under Yale's grading system in effect at the time, grades between 90 and 100 equaled an A, 80-89 a B, 70-79 a C, 60 to 69 a D, and anything below that was a failing grade. In addition to Kerry's four D's in his freshman year, he received one D in his sophomore year. He did not fail any courses.

''I always told my Dad that D stood for distinction," Kerry said yesterday in a written response to questions, noting that he has previously acknowledged that he spent a lot of time learning to fly instead of focusing on his studies.

Kerry's weak grades came despite years of education at some of the world's most elite prep schools, ranging from Fessenden School in Massachusetts to St. Paul's School in New Hampshire.

It is noteworthy, however, that Kerry received a high honor at Yale despite his mediocre grades: He was chosen to deliver his senior class oration, a testament to his reputation as a public speaker. He delivered a speech questioning the wisdom of the Vietnam War, in which he would soon see combat.

Kerry gradually improved his grades, averaging 81 in his senior year. His highest single grade was an 89, for a political science class in his senior year. Despite his slow start, he went on to be a top student at Naval Candidate School, command a patrol boat in Vietnam, graduate from law school, and become a prosecutor, lieutenant governor, US senator, and presidential candidate.

In his Navy application, Kerry made clear that he spent much of his college time on extracurricular activities, including the Yale Political Union, the Debating Association, soccer, hockey, fencing, and membership in the elite Skull and Bones Society. Asked to describe nonschool training that qualified him for the Navy, Kerry wrote: ''A great deal of sailing -- ocean and otherwise, including some navigation. Scuba diving. Rifle. Beginning of life saving." He said his special interests were ''filming," writing, and politics, noting that the latter subject occupied 15 hours per week.

Gaddis Smith, a retired Yale history professor who taught both Kerry and Bush, said in a telephone interview that he vividly remembers Kerry as a student during the 1964-1965 school year, when Kerry would have been a junior. However, Smith said he doesn't have a specific memory about Bush.

Based on what Smith recalls teaching that year, Kerry scored a 71 and 79 in two of Smith's courses. When Smith was told those scores, he responded: ''Uh, oh. I thought he was good student. Those aren't very good grades." To put the grades in perspective, Smith said that he had a well-earned reputation for being tough, and noted that such grades would probably be about 10 points higher in a similar class today because of the impact of what he called ''grade inflation."

Bush went to Yale from 1964 to 1968; his highest grades were 88s in anthropology, history, and philosophy, according to The New Yorker article. He received one D in his four years, a 69 in astronomy. Bush has said he was a C student.

Like Kerry, Bush reportedly suffered through a difficult freshman year and then pulled his grades up.

Michael Kranish can be reached at kranish@globe.com.

© Copyright 2006 Globe Newspaper Company.

8 Comments:

At 2:36 PM , Blogger Karen the Great said...

You got it. :)

 
At 11:25 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm the last person on the world to stick up for John Kerry, but this story is two years old.....

 
At 2:11 PM , Blogger Karen the Great said...

If the story is two years old? Why is the Boston Globe just releasing it now? I'd never heard of it before...all I heard about was how stupid George Bush was. John Kerry was made out to look like Einstein reincarnated...

Oh wait--here's why the Globe is just releasing it now! John Kerry...MA liberal senator. Boston Globe...MA liberal newspaper...

Hmmmm.....

 
At 3:41 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

The date on the story in your own post said 2005. You're saying that the Boston Globe re-released a story bashing John Kerry as part of a left wing conspiracy to make themselves look stupid?

 
At 11:08 AM , Blogger Karen the Great said...

This is my point. I recall the news media making such a huge deal out of how dumb President Bush was during the presidential election. And believe me--I'm not saying that isn't actually true. :)

However, I honestly don't recall hearing ANY talk how John Kerry was apparently just as dumb as Georgie until right now. It caused a hell of a lot more harm to George Bush during the presidential race than it causes to John Kerry right now. All I remember hearing about was how smart Kerry was.

I admittedly didn't see the post date. Dumb of me 100%. However, I have read the news on an almost daily basis for years and can't recall once hearing about John Kerry being just as dumb grade-wise as Bush.

Frankly, I think they're both tards, though.

 
At 10:55 AM , Blogger Sun Wu Kung said...

In those days, A's were were reserved mostly for people who showed promise as scholars. We are in an age of grade inflation. I remember seeing the figures at one point and in the late sixties most people at Harvard averaged a C. The average grade has steadily crept up since then, for some very good reasons, although it makes the grades now generally worthless indicators except in a few courses such as organic chemistry.

I really don't recall all the attention on Kerry's intellect. However, I think the general consensus is that Bush is not particularly intelligent, whereas Kerry is fairly bright and articulate. No genius. I really don't care for either of them, much, to tell the truth.

 
At 11:02 AM , Blogger Karen the Great said...

I truly don't recall attention to it, either! That's why I was surprised to read it and never realized the date it was originally posted--stupid of me to not realize the date, but oh well.

Putting politics aside for a sec, I honestly don't find Kerry all that intelligent-sounding. Truly. Again, Bush isn't a rocket scientist, either. However, I do think Bush is at least slightly more intelligent than people give him credit for. I don't think he's DUMB per se, but I don't think he's president-material, that's all.

As for the grades, you are definitely right that they have changed over the years. My father swears by the same thing and if he's telling the truth, it does seem his workload was much more back in the early 70s than mine was in college just a couple of years ago. And I've read some of his old papers and they seemed much more deserving of better grades than what was actually awarded to them...

However, just based on the idea that there was so much focus on Bush's "stupidity" versus Kerry's smarts...well, I found it seriously quite interesting to learn they had the same grades after all...

 
At 4:06 PM , Blogger Sun Wu Kung said...

From my own work, I think your father is absolutely right. The reading load in college English classes is far less these days and they write less than twenty years ago. On the other hand, the only way many students can afford college is by working full-time, which hasn't always been the case. You are paying a lot more now for a lot less.

Part of this is that the system has been opened up -- college students used to be called "scholars" but now if we say that, we're half joking. I don't think I've had more than two or three college students in all my years of teaching who were also scholars, but scholars are an elite bunch.

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I think we're in total agreement about Bush. I think he is of above average intelligence but doesn't possess the type of mind we'd want in the leader of the free world. He is, by most accounts, a keen judge of character and can be astute politically.

 

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